what's your explanation. >> well, i mean, that's the debate between governor romney and president obama. i mean, you're right. and that's the middle class is really struggling. something that's been true really for 30 years, when you look past what's happened in the middle class the last 30 years, it's basically treading water and it's gotten much tougher in the past four years, and this big debate between the two sides is whether it was, the bush policies, that preceded that president obama that was a major contributing factor or is-- a the romney campaign is trying to argue with the stimulus measures and other steps that the obama administration took. >> well, congressman, what is going to get us out of it? do you think that of continued policy of raising taxes on the rich, that's the policy. a continued regulation, under obamacare, and financial reform, continued regulation, higher taxes, and do you think that will pro he dues growth in america's economy? >> no, not at the time. the basic debate here in my view is, is political dysfunction in e should be dealing with the debt and we